Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Division Rival on Verge of a Blockbuster

Red Sox divisional foe the Toronto Blue Jays are on the verge of a trade with the Miami Marlins that will make the Red Sox trade in August look small.  ESPN Boston is reporting that the Marlins are sending Jose Reyes, Josh Johnson, Mark Beuhrle, Emilio Bonifacio and John Buck to the Jays.  In return, the Jays are sending Yunel Escobar, Jake Marisnick and Adeiny Hechevarria and possibly more to the Marlins.

What does this mean for the Red Sox?  Do you wish that the Sox had made this trade with the Marlins instead? Does this make the Blue Jays contenders in the AL east? Let's Discuss...

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  1. This will make the Jays better, but I am not sure it makes them the AL East favorite as I heard one pundit say tonight. Josh Johnson is a guy I would like to have seen in Boston, and I think I suggested in my looking for an ace column that taking another Marlins salary might help make the deal, but I never envisioned something like this.

    It is hard to suggest what a comparable Red Sox package would have been, there really is no comp to Yunel Escobar. Iglesias, Brentz, and Henry Owens might be comps for Hechevarria, Marisinick, and the kid pitcher the Jays traded. I certainly would traded those three plus maybe Lavarnway. But if Miami thought the comps were Bogaerts, Bradley, and Barnes then I say no thanks.

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  2. Let's put on our thinking caps for a minute and take a look at the timing of this trade and the Red Sox signing of C David Ross. Bear with me for a moment as I think this thing out. With a trade of this magnitude we have to believe that there were more than one team that negotiated with the Marlins and with all the money that the Red Sox have to spend right now it is also safe for someone to assume that the Marlins called the Red Sox or vice versa. Certainly the Red Sox would've had interest in Josh Johnson. With a revolving door at SS I'm sure they would at least kick around the idea of acquiring Reyes and if they were in the market for catching depth they probably would take a look at John Buck as well. Because Buck and David Ross are similar players it leads me to wonder if the Sox decided to not pursue a trade with the Marlins and then decided to sign Ross instead?

    It would be nice if a Sox beat writer could get a scoop and find out just how involved the Sox were in the Marlins trade talks. I have a suspicion that the Sox were in on this and may have been close to a deal before it got too rich for their blood. While I agree with the Deacon and think it would have been great if the Sox could have gotten Johnson I am glad that they didn't pay the price to get all these players.

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    1. Well I got my wish as Ben Cherington admitted that the Sox had discussions with the Marlins concerning Johnson and Reyes. Although it appears that I was wrong concerning the Buck/Ross connection to the trade. As for the overreaction of some fans to the Blue Jays trade...the Red Sox just need to stick to their offseason plan and not overreact themselves. Red Sox fans should know better than anyone that acquiring good players in the offseason does not guarantee success during the actual season.

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  3. The guy in the trade that nobody is talking about is Emilio Bonifacio. I wish the Sox could have swung a trade just for him to be a super utility guy. He's played 2B/SS/3B/OF and is blazing fast. He was hurt for much of 2012 and still stole 30 bases. In 2011, the stole 40 bases and hit .296/.360/.393. He doesn't have pop, but he could have been a sneaky good addition.

    Note: please forget that the last time I proclaimed the Sox picked up a "sneaky good" addition on this site was Marlon Byrd. Egads.

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    1. Marlon "Sneaky" Byrd...wow what a year 2012 was for the Sox. It all seems like a bad dream, I'm still hoping we'll wake up and no longer be a last place team...nope it was all real.

      The amazing thing about this trade is that all 5 players the Blue Jays got are good to very good players. The only question marks are health, durability and team chemistry. Which are all big question marks. I'm not ready to anoint the Blue Jays AL east champions, but they certainly are a better team on paper heading into the season.

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    2. My God, are you two actually saying that Marlon Byrd played in Boston this past season!! Truly does it not seem like at least 3 seasons ago that Byrd was giving us a sneaky good patrolling of centerfield at the Fens. What a great example of what a LONG, miserable season we just endured.

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  4. Interesting article today on ESPNBoston:

    http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/8635216/boston-red-sox-gm-team-one-larger-payrolls

    To summarize, GM Benny C said he expects the team's payroll to be among the highest in baseball when all is said and done this offseason. Right now the Sox only have $45 million on the books, so to get up near the top three in baseball, they would have to spend about $100 million this offseason, either through re-signing arbitration-eligible players (Ellsbury/Bailey), signing free agents, or making trades.

    I am heartened by this story, even if it is probably not shocking or anything new. But it was nice to hear the GM come out publicly and state that he plans on opening up the checkbook this winter, presumably for some top notch talent. I wonder if that might be alluding to talks about re-signing Ellsbury? Probably not with Boras involved. I also wonder if that means they may be very interested in the Josh Hamilton talks, something I have come out in heavy favor of on this site.

    It also puts a damper on a rumor I have heard floating around some places that the ownership groups is cutting payroll in order to sell the team and walk away with maximum profits. Going through another ownership transition is not really what this team needs right now.

    Last point about this article is Benny C repeatedly talked about spending money in a shrewd, smart fashion with the long-term interests of the team in mind, not just making splashy moves for the sake of spending money. I agree. With the exception of Hamilton, if you see that only as a splashy move. I see it as picking up an MVP-caliber bat to play a corner outfield spot that is currently only occupied by a ground crew member.

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    1. Brandon, just to add some fuel to your Josh Hamilton fire, in the same interview Benny C also made a comment along the lines of ( and I am paraphrasing, maybe poorly) over the years the best value in long term contracts has been for a middle of the order bat. Hmmm

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