Sunday, April 15, 2012

Sox Want to Bring Back Crisp?

MLBtaderumors.com is reporting that the Red Sox are "actively" exploring the outfielder market. They wonder if Coco Crisp may be a fit. 


Crisp has been displaced to LF in Oakland by Yoenis Cespedes. Crisp hit an average of .272 in three years in Boston with a three year OBP average of .331.  Health has always been Crisp's issue, having only played 124 games combined in 2009 and 2010.  But, Crisp stole 49 bases for Oakland last year (tied for most in AL with Brett Gardner) and was able to play in 136 games.  


After watching Repko try to dive for a fly ball and miss and Ross completely misplay a fly ball in the 5th inning today, having Crisp in the outfield defensively would be an upgrade.  In his 10 year career, Crisp is a +20 player according to the sabermetric stat Rtot, or "Total Zone Total Fielding Runs Above Avg", which is the number of runs above or below average the player was worth based on the number of plays made.  However, in 2011, Crisp was an even 0 and he hasn't had a season higher than +5 since 2007 when he had a career high +25 with the Red Sox.

In conclusion, if Ellsbury is going to be out until after the all-star break, I believe they could do worse than bringing Crisp back.  The question is what they might have to give up for him.  It was mentioned on the MLBTradeRumors site that the A's desperately need infield prospects.  I would think it would be worth a mid-level infield prospect for an upgrade in defense, and the OBP and SB potential Crisp could provide.


What do the rest of the Maineiacs think?

11 comments:

  1. I hear Coco mentioned yesterday and he was definitely the best name suggested unless you want Scott Posednik, who is at AAA for the Phillies. The A's were going to take Lars Anderson for Rich Harden last July, would they take Lars and maybe lesser IF prospect like Ryan Dent or Derrick Gibson for Coco. I would not overpay yet, but I am no fan of Repko.

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    1. By the way, another name mentioned yesterday( by I think, Ken Rosenthal) was JD Drew. Would the Angels, who are clogged with old overpaid OFers, trade Torii Hunter??...even though they would prefer to move Vernon Wells ( no bleepin way) or Bobby Abreu ( blah, no defensive help for sure). Moving Hunter , who I think is a free agent after 2012, would give them room to play Mike Trout. Could Hunter still play CF? I have no idea what it would take or if they would deal him to another competitive AL team.

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    2. Torii Hunter would be interesting especially since he would be on a one year deal essentially, but I'd rather not bring JD Drew back. In fact I'd rather eat my own thumbs than bring Drew back.

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  2. I would trade Oscar Tejeda the IF/OF prospect for the Sea Dogs for Crisp, but not much more than that. I think we can piece this thing together without making a trade until Ellsbury gets back. Really all they need to do is hold it together until Crawford gets back then the D will get a little better.

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    1. But my question is how much will Crawford help their Center Field defense? He has only played 54 games in center in his career, and only 3 in CF since 2005. Using the same rTot stat that I used for Coco above, Crawford has a career -2 rTot in center, meaning his defense is responsible for two more composite runs given up than the average center fielder. This means not only are we asking Crawford to come back from wrist surgery after an abysmal 2011 season to start living up to his 7 year/$142 million contract, but now we're going to ask him to play out of position in center? Or are we going to have Cody Ross play center and Crawford left on a regular basis? Either way, neither will provide nearly the center field defense Crisp is capable of.

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    2. I didn't say that the CF defense would get better when Crawford comes back. I don't think anyone expects him to play center, but having an above average defensive left fielder will help to compensate for the fact that we have a below average CF. The overall outfield defense will be better and the roles will return more to normal when he comes back. McDonald/Ross/Sweeney were all expected to be part time platoon players and Repko is supposed to be in AAA. So when Crawford gets back to full speed he can play LF and McDonald and Ross can split CF with Ross and Sweeney splitting RF. All of a sudden our outfield doesn't look so crappy. I'm not totally against getting Crisp, but I don't want them to make a bad deal out of desperation.

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  3. Crisp is definitely Valentine's type of player -- Valentine himself had a lost of speed as a player before he broke his leg, and he's always seemed to have guys like Cecil Espy and Roger Cedeno on his teams.

    Crisp isn't a guy who walks a lot. His career OBP is .329, and his career high in walks is 50. He'd be a defensive upgrade, and he'd hit better in Boston than he has in Oakland (264/314/379 last year) but I wouldn't give up much to get him. I'd make sure I have my best defensive lineup behind Doubront because he needs the boost as a young pitcher, and maybe behind Beckett so he won't be a baby, but otherwise I think they can get by with Ross in center.

    The biggest reason against trading for Crisp, I think, is when Ellsbury and Crawford come back they'd have those two plus Sweeney, Ross, and Crisp. So that's five outfielders, and there's no place to put them because first and DH are filled. (Not that Crawford having no place to play if he plays like last year would hurt them, but still....)

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  4. Cecil Espy...you're dating yourself Matt

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    1. Hahahahaha. I'm a baseball history nerd. I have the Sporting News from '73 when Valentine got hurt chasing a fly ball to center.

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