Saturday, April 21, 2012

Potential Trade

According to the Boston Globe the Red Sox and Cubs may be closing in on a deal to send Marlon Byrd to the Red Sox.  The Red Sox are certainly desperate for outfield help and Byrd is off to a slow start in Chicago. Perhaps a new start could jumpstart Byrd who has been an above average hitter at times in his career.  Hopefully Theo and Jed have a mid level prospect that they value more than the Red Sox.  It will be interesting to see who they give up (we can hope that they'll take back Chris Carpenter).

Sox and Yanks game 2 is today.  Doubront vs. Garcia.  There will be no live chat for today's game but there will be a live chat for tomorrow night's 8 o'clock game on ESPN.  So look for that and also keep your eyes out for a new feature on the maineiacs blog.  We will be debuting some Sox talk podcasts soon so keep a lookout for those. One of them will take a look at the Red Sox-Yankees rivalry.

Leave comments for today's game here...

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  1. Mike Andrews, of the SOXProspects website, is tweeting that it may be Andrew Miller and Michael Bowden for Byrd if the Cubs pay basically all of Byrd's 6.5 M. I would think just one of the pitchers would enough, probably Bowden since he has been DFA'd all ready and is from Chicago.

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  2. Huh... Miller and Bowden?? I am not sure how I feel about that. I've got no problem trading Bowden.

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  3. But why would the Cubs want to trade Byrd and pay most of his salary for Bowden when they can just claim him off waivers in a couple of days? Miller has been flat out bad in a couple of his AAA rehab appearances and he was pretty bad as a starter for the Sox last season. Plus we already have two lefties in the rotation and when Hill comes back and replaces Thomas in the pen we'll have two there as well. I think it would be worth Bowden and Miller for a proven major league center fielder who can solidify the position until Ellsbury gets back and gets Repko the hell out of the lineup permanently.

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    1. The more I think about it the more I would be willing to trade both Miller and Bowden for Byrd with the Cubs paying his salary. The Deacon is right that it is no guarantee that the Cubs would get Bowden. However the deal shakes down I would like to see this get done.

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    2. But why would the Cubs want to trade Byrd and pay most of his salary for Bowden when they can just claim him off waivers in a couple of days?

      Maybe because Byrd is hitting for a lower batting average than Salty. He's 3 for 43 to start the season.

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  4. The Cubs would do the deal in a heartbeat for Bowden, if the Sox pick up even a piece of Byrd's salary, plus if Theo really wants Bowden, there is no guarantee that he wouldn't be dealt elsewhere, before the Cubs could claim him on waivers. Byrd is no All-Star be agree his arrival should be the end of Repko's Sox career. Repko to the DL, would be the move to clear space for Byrd.

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  5. How about Felix Doubront today!! Through 6 innings and he has given up one run. He's showing that he really belongs in this rotation.

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    1. Nothing is going right for this team. The you know what will really hit the fan if they lose this game.

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  6. Couple of updates:

    1. Carl Crawford hit a home run in a rehab game today as the DH

    2. Will Middlebrooks hit another home run and is up to 7 at Pawtucket. With Youkilis' HBP today maybe he will finally go on the DL :)

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  7. Byrd deal is done according to the Boston Globe. The Cubs will pay part of his pro-rated salary and they will receive Michael Bowden and a player to be named later.

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  8. Two key errors allow NYY to tack on three---one by Aviles and another by the plate umpire who missed a perfect over the heart of the plate 1-2 pitch to Teixeira allowing him to homer after he should have been out.

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  9. I like the Byrd deal. They were most likely going to lose Bowden anyway, and they got the Cubs to pay part of his salary.

    Youkilis came out of the game with a left thigh contusion. Sounds like he needs a DL stint to me. Let's see what Middlebrooksie can do in the bigs!

    As Barry mentioned, we recorded a couple of podcasts and I'm working on how to embed them within a blog post. It's proving to be harder than I thought it would be. I'll keep working on it.

    Finally, is there a face that any Red Sox fan would like to plant a right cross into more than Mark Tiexeria's? With the possible exception of Matt Freaking Albers...

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    1. I've had enough of seeing Teixeira's O face right before hitting a homerun.

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  10. This is a serious question, not just the embarrassment of today's loss speaking: You are Ben Cherington, so what do you do right now to help right this listing ship? In the very short term, as in tomorrow, are not they going to need a fresh arm or two in the pen since Bobby V blew through everyone except Atchison. Not saying that as a criticism of the manager, necessarily, the pitchers are at fault. But, Bard is the scheduled starter and he went 111 pitches last time out ( that probably is Valentine's doing), it will be unlikely you get more than 6 innings from Bard. Hopefully, it rains like hell tomorrow as it is forecasted to do.

    Then more long term, meaning the next week to let's say July 1st, what can Ben C do???

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    1. The sad part is that there really is nothing you can do in the short term except prey for rain. You could DL Repko and call up a pitcher to give you innings in case Bard gets shelled. In the long term try to work the phones for some minor help, but there won't be any blockbuster deals out there this early in the season. The fix is going to have to come from within. I'm just not sure that we are going to find the answers that we want to hear. This team just may not be very good.

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    2. Just DLing Reppko not enough to get Byrd on 40 man roster, Nate Spears designated for assignment to accomplish this, if they DL Repko someone else can be added. Probably a pitcher for the short term at least.

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  11. A couple more things on the bullpen situation. First the Sox are scheduled to play 11 games in a row until the next off day on May 3rd. A quick look at the Pawsox pitching stats gives you the list of candidates :

    Aaron Cook -- decision needed by May 1, anyway
    Brandon Duckworth -- 36 y/o ML veteran, no MLB games since 2008
    Alex Wilson -- should have more AAA innings
    Rich Hill -- coming soon, but just made his first AAA rehab appearance today
    Mark Melancon- has had 2 clean appearances at AAA, but to soon to get his needed work in?
    Ross Ohlendord--started and pitched 5 2.3 today for Pawsox

    That's about it, other than , maybe Cook, not much help as of tomorrow.

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  12. Forgot two things , first Andrew MIller??, I not to sure he could help. Also, Repko will be DL'd to make room for Byrd I assume, not a pitcher.

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  13. One thing that could be done...I hate to open old wounds...but Lester could start on Sunday with regular rest and Bard could come out of the bullpen...and stay there.

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  14. Barry, as big a Bard as starter supporter I have been, it may come to moving him to the pen as a desperation move. But here are two things to consider: 1. If Bard is going to be the closer, how many games like today's are pissed away in the 6th, 7th, or 8th before you get to Bard and IF this team is heading towards a youth movement why take one of your young starters out of the rotation. A month from now when Dice-k is ready maybe, but I still wouldn't do it yet. But I agree with you that the Sox themselves might do it now.

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    1. I agree that I want to see Bard stay in the rotation because of his potential there, but the needs of the team may have to come first in this case. I couldn't fault the sox if they made the move especially after today's game.

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    2. If the Sox do fall out of contention by the All-Star break then they could afford to take the time to slowly build Bard's arm strength and pitch count back up to return him to a starting role when Bailey returns.

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  15. Twitter was buzzing tonight with news that John Henry, Ben Cherington, and Bobby Valentine had a closed-door meeting in Bobby V's office after today's game. If something big was going to happen 14 games into the season, that would have been the time. Instead Cherington came out and said he is "very satisfied" with Valentine and he is doing the best he can with the roster he has. He said Henry was there to send the message that they are all in this together. So nothing big is going to happen in Red Sox Nation tonight, unless you count the enormous number of young men and women drinking away their Sox Sorrows all over New England. To Valentine's credit, he had the quote of the day: "We've hit rock bottom. If this isn't rock bottom, then we're going to find new ends of the Earth."

    In my opinion, the Bobby Bashing and Booing show needs to stop. It's getting out of control. They're showing highlights on Baseball Tonight of Valentine walking back to the dugout just so they can play the sound of the boos. Meanwhile, Fettuccine faces 5 hitters, retires 0, and gets nary a boo on his way out of the game. How can we hope to turn this around and start winning momentum if we're focusing on booing our manager? Because like it or not, he is our manager. Not to mention how come we are focusing on Valentine and not these bums in the uniforms blowing game after game?

    The Sox are now 11-30 in their last 41 games. In case you forget, that includes 27 games with Francona as manager and with Papelbon/Bard in our bullpen.

    Last note...the roster move to add Byrd was not to DL Repko, but to DFA Nate Spears. No great loss there, but it does continue to prove that Repko must own incriminating photos of Valentine.

    Good grief.

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    1. Good points here Brandon and as much as I have been calling for Bobby V to be fired today's loss was not his fault. The bullpen was terrible. He went to the right guys at the right times and they were awful.

      Repko may still very well be put on the DL and they could then add a pitcher perhaps Andrew Miller to give the bullpen some help.

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  16. 1- agree that the bobby V bashing is in poor taste. fans booing him today look foolish. he didnt put this roster together, the front office and ben cherington/puppet regime did.

    2- pray for a rainout tomorrow night

    3- i think that bard back to bullpen has to at least be considered, and likely came up in meeting tonight. im still not sure why they ever thought he could close, since he doesnt have the stuff to do it, but im sure they now know that aceves isnt a closer. in fact, hes not a setup man or a starter, either. he is what he always has been...a middle reliever. let him do it and do it well. the 1-3 starters are, sadly, set in stone. doubront is staking claim to a starting spot. and cook is ready to hold the fort until dice-K returns. since bard is on an innings limit anyway, have to consider plugging him back into pen, given how atricious pen has been.

    4- trading pitching for a 4th outfield north of age 30 is not my idea of an upgrade

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    1. Anonymous,

      Bard back to the bullpen is certainly a strong possibility right now. With today's rain out it will be interesting to see if he starts tomorrow in Minnesota or if he goes back in the bullpen. Even if they just skip him one time in the rotation because of the rain out and use him in the bullpen for a week or so to help things get settled down out there.

      Byrd may not be much of an upgrade over most players, but he most definitely is better than Jason Repko. Plus calling Michael Bowden pitching is a stretch.

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    2. Well it looks as though I was right on this one. The Boston Globe is reporting that Bard will be skipped in the rotation and will start on Friday at Chicago and he will be available out of the pen on Monday and Tuesday.

      Also Jason Repko was put on the DL and Lars Anderson was called up. Maybe Lars can give this team a little spark with some young enthusiasm. He can't be any worse defensively in the OF than Cody Ross.

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    3. I'm surprised they called up Lars right now. Assuming they want to play him in left field, that makes five outfielders on their roster. You would think if they called him up then they are going to play him regularly. You'd also assume they're going to play the newly acquired Marlon Byrd nearly every day. That leaves a right field platoon for Sweeney and Ross, which I'm fine with, but it looks like Darnell McDonald may get buried on the bench or may find his way off the team in short order. Too bad. I feel like he never got a full shot at everyday playing time.

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  17. Doing my rain dance this morning!!

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